TfL opens public consultation on making London buses cashless

I cant see this being a positive thing for tourists into London, many of which wont know of or understand Oyster, let alone have the desire to get a card, top it up etc etc.

I think the only way we can remove cash from public transport / public places in general is if we have a replacement thats available to all, even when travelling between countries. You could argue usign a contactless debit / credit card allows for that, but the cost to public transport would mean it would be far cheaper to stick with cash....

For the time being, this is a pipedream...

I doubt this will happen for two reasons

1) - we couldn't get rid of cheques even though so few of us use it.

2) - cash is a fail safe for those real emgerencies.  What if you have no money on your oyster card?  What if it's the last bus home?  Will TFL be happy to accept responsibility for people being stranded up town with little chance of getting home, but did have a fiver in their pocket.  Buses are still a very popular and cheap way of getting around town especially after all the trains and tubes have stopped.

Most people don't even reaslise their card is out of money or broken until they try to use it.... Therefore this will not happen for a very long time.

TFL need to slow down on this "contactless" idea.

I disagree with the previous comments on this being “Too Early” tourists in London are encouraged to get an Oyster Card for travel, in fact a lot of the packages sold include an Oyster Card as part of the package.  The collection of cash is not a cheap option and the cost of acceptance on buses for contactless cards is minimal due to the volume TFL already does and with the volume expected once the entire underground starts to accept contactless card as well as Oyster in 2014.

I believe that with less than 1% of people paying with cash today it is precisely the right time to have this debate and remove cash from the buses.  

There's a compelling story why to displace cash in this environment.  And it's entirely possible if there are credible alternatives.

1) Contactless bank cards or bank led digital wallet

2) A non "bank" solution like an oyster or wallet equivalent (that can be funded by cash if required or by those that don't have a compatible bank product

The speed benefit that has been evidenced in Oyster should be enough incentive for any busy londoner.  

• Oyster allows 40 people per minute to pass through ticket gates, 15 more than with paper tickets, and also makes boarding a bus three times faster*

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/28196.aspx

Contrary to my general belief that "zero cash day" is far, far away, "cashless TfL" might happen sooner rather than later since Oyster Card is not cashless for the sake of cashless and offers a few benefits that are not available with cash e.g. auto fare computation. Travelers to new cities struggle to calculate correct fares, especially where fare charts are not displayed in English, which is the case in many parts of Continental Europe. More in What I Liked Best About London Oyster Card on my personal blog.

When they hear about Oyster Card, it's one of the first things they buy after arriving in London. I agree that some more education might be required to spread the Oyster Card message around to travelers who reach London without passing Europe. It would also help if TfL resolved the friction around topup activation as I'd highlighted in my blog post.

I believe this is a great initiative and one that I feel will have good chance of success subject to ensuring that a passenger that gets on to the bus can actually complete the journey rather than be turned away just because the system is now cashless.

 However there are also other opportunities for TfL to take the lead and drive the move towards a "Cashless" society.  In this connection there are few points that TfL would need to consider

a. Oyster Reader does not work all the time..so what does Bus driver do? - provide free ride or take the bus off circulation?

Clearly there is a need for contingency in the bus for such situations and thus may have implications depending on "what the alternative is" and this may add to the overall cost of the proposition

b. Not enough balance on the Oyster card though the passenger has adequate money available with him either as Cash or other means to pay ?

Should the buses carry an Oyster Top-up capability or allow the Oyster card to be overdrawn to enable the user to complete the journey.

While today TfL benefits from unclaimed cash balances on Oyster cards that are not being used by customers, the question is will the facility to overdraw may change that?

c. Unlike what some of the others seem to think, I feel this move would be a blessing to the tourists subject to TfL

- Making it easier for the Tourists to purchase / Top-up an Oyster

- Making it easier for them to cash it back at airports, International train / port terminals and such so that they don't leave behind balances on the Oyster card

d. Can TfL take the leadership to drive the "Cashless" agenda by widening the usage of Oyster cards for other needs and services - Cafes / bars / entertainment venues etc.

- For domestic users this will mean an extension and thus easier adoption of this at other places where they traditionally use cash currently

- For the visitors, it means they can get a single instrument for most of their spending needs as tourist while visiting London - such as at Cafes / bars / entertainment venues. This will save them the hassle of managing notes and coins.

 e. Finally in keeping with the mobile and digital trend, does the Oyster card need to be a physical plastic card or can it be introduced on a Digital wallet.

With the number of users who are used to the "Contactless and Cashless" means of payments, TfL probably has more ability to influence the move towards a cashless society than the banks

May be TfL must start to think of themselves as cashless payment enablers servicing the micro-payment needs of the customers than as just a enabler for the passengers to pay for their daily journeys.